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Mittwoch, April 29, 2009

A new robot in town...


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iRobot "Roomba", 2nd gen in our house

We all know about the dangers of robots. The final episode of Battlestar Galactica contained the warning that our toying around with cute dancing robots will ultimately lead to blond big-bosomed artificial girls and cute Asian girls (called "Boomer") [yeah OK, so where's the problem?]..... eventually destroying humankind [well, they are women, aren't they?]; and after watching my weekly episode of Terminator:The Sarah Connor Chronicles I am pretty scared of artificial intelligence finally taking over the military and nuking humankind. However, I still like my little robots at home; I am thinking to name the blue one Boomer and the red one "Six" (isn't the Cylon girl called Six always wearing red dresses?).

However, like always with women, things are not hassle-free. They don't always clean when they are supposed to [that's a joke, actually HE did the cleaning at home before his wife allowed him to buy the robots], they want an occasional massage to work and might sometimes refuse to provide any services alltogether [that explains the missing buttons on your shirt].


Our old iRobot Roomba Discovery in happier days

Reason for the new iRobot Roomba appearing is the fact that the old one, which we acquired in May 2007, has finally given up. Or, to put it differently, it refused working once again, making noises as if some kind of power transmission belt is broken inside and stopped cleaning, so we decided not to bring it a 3rd time into the repair shop, it broke down in March and thus did not quite get to be 2 years old.
In 2007, iRobot Roomba Discovery had a German store price of around 750 Euro and the Taiwan price was similar, we finally bought a grey import from the US for half price those days. However, that gave us trouble finding a repair shop. So if the thing keeps breaking down convincing repair guys to repair it becomes a real hassle and we finally gave up on the old (white and grey) one. It had the following defects:


The charging station on which old and new Roomba can auto-dock. But don't let it charge all week!

- charging board (it's inside the robot!) fried, because we followed the instruction manual and kept it 24h/7 days a week on the charging station. A bad idea...

- it attempted suicide by falling down the stairs when cleaning. It has a sensor to stop at the stairs, but it breaked too sudden and kind of jumped a bit in the air with it's tail and then fell down the stairs, when it was about a year old. It still worked but started only after making some ugly noises.
Finally, when I let it drop only from 20 cm height, because I carried it on it's rear at his dust compartment with only 1 hand (always use two hands when carrying the robot!) it didn't work anymore. The repair guy said it's totally worn out.

- A few month after fixing it, I let it drop again, this time only from 2 cm height (yes, I tried to carry it on it's rear again) and it broke down. We had it fixed.

- In March it made mechanical problems for no reason, see above


The new (cheaper) model came without a charging station, but it just docks automatically on the charging station of the old one!

Note: The new iRobot Roomba Discovery and the basic model both were below 200 Euro this time in Taiwan; likely grey imports again. Basic model was 25 Euro cheaper.

Charging time for the more expensive "Discovery" model and the cheaper (red) basic model is significantly different if you plug in the power cord directly instead of using the charging station (in the pic we use the charging station). Discovery charges in 3 hrs when plugged directly to power, the basic model in 7 hrs!

Discovery comes with a charging station, the basic model not. However, if you buy (have) one, also the basic model can automatically detect and dock to it and will also charge in 3 hrs.

Battery life is 90 minutes for new batteries and 45 minutes or so for older ones. We now have 3 (one came with the new one) and while the new one has it's full capacity the 2 older ones have much less, but usually provide 45 min.


Note the battery in front. All parts are fully compatible between the old and new robot, no matter if Discovery model or not.


So we stripped the poor old robot of it's components and found we can still use it as a charging station for batteries, even with fast 3 hrs charging time. Note the back of the robot, which is not properly connected in the picture. This dust compartment easily comes loose with our old model (a bit worn out by use I guess).

Speaking of the (dirt) "Discovery" function. Actually, for our old Discovery model it hardly ever worked. When it works, a blue light will turn on an the machine will alter its course to take up dirt. However, I could never see dirt where the old model saw some and I only saw this function 3 times in 2 years, so just forget about it, it's not important.
Our new (red) basic model is not supposed to have a dirt discovery function, but it has one and it even works great! Probably the discovery function has been improved for the new model, but Marketing decided the basic model should not admit it has one. Don't ask me, it has, and it works. But don't sue me if your basic model doesn't provide it.


rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr...... that's the sound


Another difference between old and new is the way it drives around. The old model seemed faster to me, but the high speed it had when it crashed to walls (it has a bumper in front) did not strike me as being too elegant. I like the more careful way the new red one is going around. Also, the new model seems to have improved software on board, it sometimes stopps before turning back when it has hit an obstacle, thats seems more clever to me. Again, 2nd gen has improvements.

Both models do fine on tiles, remember they are only vacuums, not floor sweepers.
The Discovery version came with two "virtual walls", those are electronic devices projecting a beam (invisible) which will make the robot stop. However, we stopped using these as they require frequent battery changes. We just put a chair on the floor, having it lie down, that's better.


This bro' rocks. Floor sweeper iRobot Scooba. Works and works for over 2 years now!


While I am not satisfied with our old Roomba for breaking down a bit often, I really like our Scooba model from the same company. It just works since 2 years now. In its second year it has developed a bit of a habbit: When you didn't use it for a long time, it will always say "check tank" and then you need to leave it open and let it dry for 45 minutes or so. Alternatively you may want to try shaking and emptying and refilling the tank. Taking a straw and blowing (or sucking?) air from/into the little strut between the tank (the upper part) and the base can also help, especially when it is a new model. In that case, some air is stuck somewhere. But no big deal, just leave it open a while when that happens.

Scooba is really good at washing the floor, however we had used 4 batteries so far, with No. 3 still having 45 minutes capacity and No. 4 having full 90 minutes still. No. 1 and 2 are retired, no chance to get them working again.

Some people complain Scooba would make a mess, like not sucking up the water again, which it uses for cleaning. In that case, and when it gets uneasy on its wheels, it just needs cleaning of the brush area. Take it out and hold it under water.

Scooba is a fine guy (he must be a male), working and working and I really hated to wash these white tiles of ours. Good chap.

Freitag, August 17, 2007

Robot war over (Update):


GERMAN below, DEUTSCH unten

Robot war is partially over. Roomba is fried, Scooba survived

Since April 2007 I had Scooba cleaning in my apartment. Scooba is a little blue disk, being able to wipe a tile floor with water and subsequently suck in the water. He did his job well, this little robot disk from iRobot and is still doing fairly well, now in August. However, battery capacity seems a bit reduced after months of cleaning, seemingly 30 minutes for battery one and 20 minutes for the second battery we bought. Originally, that was about an hour or even one and a half. Also, Scooba's wheels sometimes make a bit trouble moving on its own water now, but this is not really a problem as he uses greater force to free himself if he can't go on.

GERMAN blog entry on Passado blog about new Scooba, has images

So I have to check out that battery problem, but after cleaning our white tiles for month, I would give him a "good" grade and a big hug.

Roomba came 4 weeks or so later and he worked without a problem until last weekend. Roomba is the grey vacuum twin brother of Scooba. We bought the "Discovery" model with dirt detection, although I failed to see where and when he detects dirt. But he cleaned well and fast and nicely went back on his charging station all by himself. Last weekend however he refused to charge. According to forums on the internet that could be a motherboard problem. So we had him sent to iRobot office Taiwan or whatever shop that is to check him out. Hopefully it's just the battery. So, I cannot give Roomba a good evalution but hope the little chap is back on track soon. Dirty floor is waiting.


Image: Roomba in action. They do NOT fall off the stairs, don't worry

Price in Germany would have been around 700 Euro for Roomba, Scooba was not on sale there. Here in Taiwan price for Roomba would be around 700 USD and for Scooba as well. So we bought them on Ebay for half the price.



Robots look too boring today. Just compare them to the girlie band! Ups...never mind

UPDATE: the battery problems of Scooba can seemingly be fixed with recharging them for 5 hours or so. One on its two batteries is back to normal operation with 90 minutes or more charge. The other one seems to be better as well, but I did not have time to check its running time, probably OK too.
Roomba had been fixed here in Taiwan in only 2 days over the weekend and for about 55 Euro that wasn't too expensive. Haven't had time to really check him out, but he seems to be working again.


DEUTSCH, GERMAN:

Roomba ist ein personenwaagengroßer Saugroboter von iRobot, einer amerikanischen Firma, die auch für Millitär und Polizei herstellt, oben ein Bild von unserem iRobot Roomba Discovery.
Seit April haben wir Roomba und seinen wischenden Bruder iRobot Sccoba (LINK). Der Roomba kostete damals in Deutschland etwa 700 Euro, in den USA kostet er etwa 350 US-Dollar. Der Scooba liegt etwa gleich im Preis, war aber damals in Deutschland nicht zu haben. Das Ende des Praxistests ist jetzt etwas durchwachsen:
Roomba lief bis Mitte August einwandfrei, dann verweigerte er jedwedes Laden, was sich als Platinenfehler herausstellte. In Taiwan liess er sich über Wochende für umgerechnet etwa 55 Euro reparieren und scheint jetzt wieder zu funktionieren, ich muss ihn aber noch ausführlich testen dieses Wochenende.
Der Wischer Scooba läuft einwandfrei bis auf eine kleine Laufunsicherheit bei sehr nassen Böden (die er ja selbst nass macht), jedoch beinträchtigt das nicht die Arbeit und die Räder sind bei ihm auch Verschleißteile, daher ist das normale Abnutzung wohl durch Korrosion. Er hat manchmal durchdrehende Reifen und befreit sich dann aber durch stärkeren Vortrieb.
Kurzzeitig waren seine Batterien schon sehr verbraucht und schienen kaum noch Kapazität zu haben. Dauerladen von mehreren Stunden hat jedoch die eine Batterie wieder auf volle Kapazität gebracht. Bei der zweiten steht der Test noch aus - hier fehlte mir die Zeit zum Testlauf.

Wertung: gut für Scooba und ..... grübel... mangelhaft für Roomba im Verhältnis zum deutschen Preis, ausreichend für Roomba im Verhältnis zum billigen US-Preis, den wir bei Ebay bekommen haben (aber ohne Garantie!). Wertung nur auf meine Geräte bezogen, wie man bei Blogs mittlerweile zur Abwehr von Klagen dabeischreiben muss.

Ludigel
... der trotz kleiner Wehwehchen seine Robotter liebt....

Update: Im März (oder so) 2009 hat unser iRobot nun mittlerweile mit neuerlichem schweren mechanischen Fehler das zeitliche gesegnet, nach nicht mal 2 Jahren. Wir haben einen neuen, das billigere Modell, der nach nicht mal 6 Monaten mit mechanischer Fehlfunktion gerade wieder in der Werkstatt ist. Dem Wischer Scooba hingegen geht es immer noch gut, er funktioniert wunderbar. Resumee: Sauger Roomba Note 5 (mangelhaft), Wischer Scooba Note 2 (gut).